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Re: Meme = music, quantum memes

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>> So, meme is a pulse pattern.
>
>In  fact my quess is that nobody exactly knows if this is true. It 
>may involve pulse patterns.

Neurons operate as pulse modulated oscillators. They input and output 
pulses. I would say that the mathematical signal accumulation
model used in artificial neural networks is much more wrong approach
than pulse model. They work because the give statistically correct 
results but they do not run on quantum mechanical pulses which give
us humans the edge, don't you think.

>> Music consists also other things than just rhythms, but they (melodies, 
>> tonalities, dynamics, compositional structures etc) can be cross-converted 
>> into each other. 
>> 
>
>very nice analogy

;-) ... actually more than an analogy. It's the basic property of
a music language I wrote. More information is available in page

   http://www.xs4all.nl/~psto/

>> The pulse pattern memes have another interesting property. They can
>> be enhanced by the synaptic noise, and now information that comes from
>> the quantum universe can enhance human thinking.
>
>here you lose me, what is the quantum universe? Have you been reading 
>what's his name?

I was refering to the quantum theory and string theories. String 
theories propose that universe is a 10 to 24 dimensional construct. 
Shortly after big bang the extra dimensions folded and resulted to our 
4 dimensional universe. The extra dimensions are still present, although 
very small. String theories pop out scientific theories which relate one 
to one to the existing theories, or produce unknown theories. Nobody 
understands what happens in string theories and it is likely that they 
was discovered 100 years too early. 

Quantum theory is also a big puzzle. It has very good explaining and 
prediction powers - if you do not ask a naive question what it is all 
about. But if you want to understand the world under this material level, 
you have to face that logic rules you have learned they do not exist 
anymore. Everything is connected. Whatever happens in any position of the 
universe is reflected in every part. There is not only this universe of 
you reading this text, but there are multiple universes splitting all 
the time while you read this according to the way you understand, and 
mentally disagree, agree, or reflect the ideas that pop up in your 
mind, after doing the language decoding process. While you read the 
above several hundred new universes were born, and there you continue 
in each of them, interpreting the possible continuums in different ways, splitting all the time into even more universes.

> But quantum noise is 
>> actually not noise, but highly organized information, hence reading our 
>> senses and reacting it to a way unknown. 
>
>Habe you insights I am unaware of?

You can also extend it and say that every detail of yourself is that noise.

>> When you start thinking in terms of pulse coded quantum memes you never 
>> know what is replicating, because a preserving meme replication is
>> only a special case.
>
>I am not sure about that. If they are special cases, they sure do 
>last!

Yes, they last. What I was saying was that these special cases are
only the ones that we can directly recognize, a sort of top of an
iceberg. I was proposing a theory of quantum memes, which are pulse
patterns below the normal memes. There is a huge number of them, 
much more than visible memes, replicating all the time.

I'd like to return to the music, and propose that patterns used
in dance and chart music represent the basic building blocks of the
human neural sequencer. In other words, they are the most replicating
patterns. Everybody has heard them, and all composers are repeating
them again and again. You play music because these patterns help
you think. Perhaps music is an evolutionary mechanism to maintain 
the operation of mind.

If we ever want to make an intelligent machine, its operating 
system should be music. Windows, MacOS, Unix ... how boring stuff ;-).

Peter


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