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Date: Wed Apr 29 00:55:36 1998
Subject: INFOWAR: Re: information wants to be free
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ARS ELECTRONICA FESTIVAL 98
INFOWAR. information.macht.krieg
Linz, Austria, september 07 - 12
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:47:10 +0200
From: Felipe Rodriquez <felipe@xs4all.nl>

>Remember the old line
>"Information wants to be free"

Information does not want anything. It cannot want anything, it has no
will.
It does not want to be free, and it does not want to be learned. You and me
may want information to be free or learned, but information does not want.
Information moves like money, from one place to another, from surplus to
shortage. But it only moves because someone made it move. It does not move
by itself.=20
Information does not want to be free, but I (and maybe you) want it to be
free.=20

Set it free !

=09Felipe Rodriquez
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Felipe Rodriquez        felipe@xs4all.nl =20

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:47:23 -0500
From: Brian Leigh Molyneaux <moly@usd.edu>
To: infowar@aec.at
Subject: Pillow Talk

"language territory"  "I would like to think of the ways information can
be kept free of restrictions."  (Aymon de Sales)=20

Language structures, limits, codifies and confines experience. Like you
say, it creates territories. There will always be those inside the
boundaries and those outside. Those who know the codes and those who
don't. So: even if there was no censorship (if I take your meaning
correctly), you'd still have the problem of language itself, and the
endless struggle over its frontiers.=20

"Information is shoving itself down our throats, in an attempt to make us
learn it. Being free is great, if you're an amoeba"  "The new info
technology is here to force us to learn harder, faster, and in the process
experience a lot of pain." (Speer)=20

The distribution and density of information varies with time, place and
situation. Hasn't it always been this way? I wonder if the people of the
Upper Palaeolithic (10,000 or so years ago) were bummed out by the
tremendous explosion in information then (as seen in all the art and
artifacts of the time)? It is true in every age that one is 'forced' to
keep up if one wants to sample the luxuries of the time, but it is not an
absolute necessity. You can always turn off the computer. Are we really at
a saturation point? Are we really being force-fed? If anything, the more
'information' the more banality. In the early days of computing, and
internets, and email, and any new technology, it is all magical. But now?=
=20
Maybe the best way to deal with the problem of information is to keep it
coming until everyone is bored silly. Hate pornography? Let's all get
naked in front of our videocams and destroy fantasy with global naturism.
Fed up?  Eat yourself sick. Give those amoeba in your mouth a real chance
for freedom.=20

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:01:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: 7Pillars Partners <partners@sirius.infonex.com>
To: infowar@aec.at
Subject: Re: INFOWAR: what info wants

Happy to call bullshit on this sort of thing.  Information doesn't want to
be free, nor does it 'want to be learned' as the chap here seems to
assert. What it all ultimately boils down to is that information defies
control, of any sort.  Get used to it.  Cope.=20

Michael Wilson
http://www.7pillars.com/

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:17:51 +0200
From: Dinka Pignon <dinka@mbox301.swipnet.se>
To: infowar@aec.at
Subject: Re: Infopeace

Aymon De Sales wrote:
> I got to tell you all this intellectualizing gets me down.

You are not alone. But like Chris Jordan, I too would like to "wave my
flag of allegiance" to some of the dialogue, especially the one he
introduced himself. Greetings to you Chris, it was a great pleasure to
read your lines:

> ... about the individualized megalomaniac
> ... It=92s an elitist, egotistical ivory tower that you've constructed
> for yourself, all others be damned, let the infowar begin, because My
> Information is better, more pure, more Refined than yours.
> ... It's all about vying for position. ... If you
> don't have something to trade, then you are nothing.
> ... The war for me is much more internal and psychological than
> anything I have heard or read being discussed. It's about how we relate
> to one another.
> How we relate to the world around us. How we are willing to torment
> ourselves.

Yes. Quite so. And here I think we have a definition of =91infowar=92 where=
,
at least for me, the discussion finally can start. (Hope to come with
some thoughts of my own next time.)

Dinka Pignon, Stockholm

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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:21:48 -0600
From: =3Dcw4t7abs <antiorp@tezcat.com>
To: infowar@aec.at
Subject: Re: INFOWAR: what info wants

>Remember the old line

negat!v.


>   "Information wants to be free"

>Is this the war that information is fighting? DOes information struggle
>to be free? (Do humans struggle to be free, for that matter?)
>This always struck me as amother tossed off sound bite by the series of
>pundits who dominate the cyber theory scene (but thats another story!
>another war!)

>    "Information wants to be learned!"

!nformat!on wantz 2 b stord.

>Information is shoving itself down our throats, in an attempt to make us
>learn it. Being free is great, if you're an amoeba, but being human we
>have another calling, to fight the war, to continually struggle to learn
>the facts, to stare reality in it's harsh face and then to continue on to
>the next arena.

shortkut 2 th!nk!ng

>The new info technology is here to force us to learn
>harder, faster, and in the process experience a lot of pain.

>     War is hell!

hell !=3D ecz!st.

=3D byprodukt ov stare reality in it's harsh face and then to continue on
to the next arena.

humanzsukc[]


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