Re: LIFESCIENCE: The Clone Age : Adventures in the New World of Reproductive Technology

[David Washington <david@carbonflux.net>]

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Interesting site Melinda....

> Melinda said:
> by limiting the parenting of scientific ideas/research/development by
> ecomomic selection, we get  fairly inbreed offspring,  which is sort of
> cloning ourselves into a tunnel of even narrower perspectives.

While I totally agree with that, heh, when you "Look into the eyes of the
force that put that thought into our minds" I feel like we are going to be
ok.

The "Myth" of consciousness makes us "Think" we have the "Power" to create
such a tunnel for ourselves.

But do we?

When you look at ants and see the exto-cognitive map that is like a organic
"EarthMind" do you think that the ants are thinking "Wow I invented that?"

I submit that,  We are not "Conscious" ( unless we are a Buddha, sigh... )

>> Dr Richard said:
>> What do you especially mean with the last time scientific endeavor was
not
>> motivated by profit was in the 1950ties, that sounds interesting, do you
have
>> an example for that?

Yes, but this is a academic view point.

There is this myth about invention that it happens in the context of
big-science.

Seldom if ever in REAL innovation done in a institutional context.

Institutions are good at leveraging and thru leveraging fulfilling the
profit/power motive.

Innovation is like art, you do it because you HAVE TOO, heh, and will ignore
your friends, lovers and food to do it.

I submit, Art is channeling, Invention is Art, and the illusion of
EgoCreativeSelfOrigination<tm> is Death.

I am of the belief that most innovations happen where we will never see
them, and then enter into the bio-morphemic unconscious field for others to
"Invent/Channel."

>> Dr Richard said:
>> It is absolutely right that especially artists and other socially
responsible
>> thinking people should not leave the field of biotechnology to the
industries.
>> They should have the possibility to create alternative forms of live.

Yes, and have fun doing it!!!

I can't WAIT to get my hands on some NanoPrimitives and create a living soci
al memory earth virus, or, would people be mad?

My point, what if your art is a Mirror?

What if you create a lifeform that shows people their own inner faces?
 like I feel  fine-art should do. )

Then what?

What if they don't like it?

With Respect...

David Washington
david@carbonflux.net
www.carbonflux.net
www.carbonflux.org
palace.carbonflux.org


----- Original Message -----
From: melinda rackham <melinda@subtle.net>
To: <lifescience@aec.at>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: LIFESCIENCE: The Clone Age : Adventures in the New World of
Reproductive Technology


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> ARS ELECTRONICA FESTIVAL 99
> LIFESCIENCE
> Linz, Austria, September 04 - 09
> http://www.aec.at/lifescience
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>
> >"From the very first page, The Clone Age scared
> >and angered me. It's a story of science gone
> >awry--motivated by power, greed, and fame. Lori
>
> i think the last time we assumed that scientific endeavour was not
> ultimately motivated by profit and  power was in 1950. science is a market
> industry like any other, and as such serves the adgenda of a minority. i'm
> not suggesting that individuals within this arena don't have " pure" or
> humanitarian motives, but that research into fields or illness where there
> is no obvious profit to be made or no product to be exploited arent
> economically justifable, therefore don't often happen.
>
> by limiting the parenting of scientific ideas/research/development by
> ecomomic selection, we get  fairly inbreed offspring,  which is sort of
> cloning ourselves into a tunnel of even narrower perspectives.
>
>
> melinda rackham
> http://www.subtle.net
>
>
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